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(Page 1 of 2) ARCHIVED ARCHIVED Previous Page Page: [_____] / 2 Next Page [IMG] Author Message upnorthbacon Posted: 10/5/2008 6:37:10 AM Member [IMG] Member THE IMAGE ABOVE IS A PAID ADVERTISEMENT Joined: Jan 2005 I'm building a new gun which will be my SHTF, the world is coming to an end, I'm heading USA MI, USA for the hills screaming "Wolverines!" gun! I'm still deciding between A1 upper and A3 Offline upper w/larue BUIS. Will I notice a big difference between the M4 barrel compared to the Posts: 393 lightweight barrel? I want it simple and light, but also strong, and I'll sacrifice a Feedback: 100% (42) little weight if there's advantages to the M4 barrel. My plan is to put a compact acog on it in the next year. Unlike everyone else on here I like my acogs in the carry handle so I have instant access to the irons, which is why I still can't decide on an upper yet. User Info GhostRing Posted: 10/5/2008 6:42:54 AM The Breakfast Pirate The weight difference is negligible...even a 16" M4 style barrel is pretty light. Bronze Contributor Team Member I'd bet you'd be happy with either, but for a fighting barrel, I'd want the extra meat. Joined: Sep 2004 USA OR, USA Offline Posts: 10115 "It'll tickle yore innards!" Feedback: 100% (57) Link To This Post User Info M4builder Posted: 10/5/2008 7:46:28 AM Just an average Joe. I have a light weight AR, and I have a couple M4s set up with an EOTech, BUIS, and a Bronze Contributor light. Team Member If SHTF, I'll grab the M4 because it will put me on target faster, and light up the Joined: Apr 2007 dark spots so i know if they are clear or not. USA KS, USA A dot & light will increase your chances of living longer. First one on target gets the Offline shot, & the one who can see better in the dark times gets to live another day. Posts: 4132 A Colt is a weapon, not a measuring stick. Feedback: 100% (2) Link To This Post User Info QUIB Posted: 10/5/2008 8:17:32 AM AERO SCOUT Gold Contributor I love reading these types of threads. The possibilities and scenarios for these types Team Member of situations are endless. Joined: Oct 2001 USA USA Offline Posts: 17694 *I will maintain my arms, and my equipment, in an immaculate state.....* Feedback: 100% (11) Link To This Post User Info DevL Posted: 10/5/2008 9:38:36 AM Member A lightweight upper is fine for strength... we did fight a whole war wtht hem and they Member only had problems when used as prybars. You will certainly notice the weight difference. Joined: May 2002 Id never get an A2 upper. Just not optic friendly and you gain no real utility. Weight USA TX, USA savings there is minimal vs flattop plus BUIS. Offline Posts: 16829 Feedback: 100% (18) Link To This Post User Info Ralph Posted: 10/5/2008 10:00:18 AM Member [Last Edit: 10/5/2008 10:04:43 AM by Ralph] Member Me? I'd get a M4 barrel and a good one at that, Something made from 4150CMV steel(or Joined: Jan 2001 better) chromed lined, 1/7 twist, Flattop upper, Forget the plain jane 4150/4140 1/9 USA OH, USA twist Bushmaster/RRA/Oly/DPMS barrels, You want the best you can get, after all, this is Offline what our boys in uniform use, why should'nt you??You'll have to pony up some more money, Posts: 1626 But quality barrels aren't cheap either, Noveske, LMT, BCM comes to mind for quality Feedback: 100% (1) barrels... Link To This Post User Info BumpFireNHaveMoreFun Posted: 10/5/2008 10:45:39 AM Member Member Originally Posted By GhostRing: Joined: Jun 2008 The weight difference is negligible...even a 16" M4 style barrel is pretty USA OH, USA light. Offline Posts: 151 I'd bet you'd be happy with either, but for a fighting barrel, I'd want the Feedback: 100% (1) extra meat. Link To This Post Same here better accuracy and better...well everything. HBAR all the way! User Info NickoGlock Posted: 10/5/2008 11:24:20 AM Member I have an M4 profile barrel on my SHTF AR, if i had it to do over again i would go Hbar Member Joined: Jun 2008 USA FL, USA Offline Posts: 618 Feedback: 0% (0) Link To This Post User Info patrol120 Posted: 10/5/2008 11:54:30 AM Member Im just the opposite, I prefer a pencil barrel over an M4, and most definitely over a Bronze Contributor HBAR. Team Member Joined: Dec 2005 USA OK, USA Offline Posts: 644 Feedback: 100% (15) Link To This Post User Info mongo001 Posted: 10/5/2008 11:59:56 AM Evil Machinist [Last Edit: 10/5/2008 12:04:22 PM by mongo001] Bronze Contributor Team Member Originally Posted By BumpFireNHaveMoreFun: Joined: Mar 2003 USA MI, USA Originally Posted By GhostRing: Online The weight difference is negligible...even a 16" M4 style barrel is Posts: 11905 pretty light. Feedback: 100% (71) Link To This Post I'd bet you'd be happy with either, but for a fighting barrel, I'd want the extra meat. Same here better accuracy and better...well everything. HBAR all the way! When's the last time you had an AR hanging on a sling for 4 out of 8 hours in a day? You might change your mind if you ever do. Pencil or lighter all the way. The chances of SHTF are negligable. The chances of a heated and extended firefight during SHTF are a negligable part of negligable. I'd rather be light and quick, in and out of a fight. That extra pound adds up real quick. This post edited for typos and grammatical errors. Thinking twice and posting once. Ya, right......... Some guy named Darwin used to be in charge of QA, but he got fired. User Info fishngrits Posted: 10/5/2008 12:06:56 PM Not Concerned With Your [Last Edit: 10/5/2008 12:07:23 PM by fishngrits] Version Of The Events Bronze Contributor Originally Posted By GhostRing: Team Member The weight difference is negligible...even a 16" M4 style barrel is pretty Joined: Nov 2006 light. USA LA, USA Offline I'd bet you'd be happy with either, but for a fighting barrel, I'd want the Posts: 5814 extra meat. Feedback: 100% (2) Link To This Post A1 barrels saw some fighting, and did pretty well w/o the "extra meat." Both of my ARs have lightweight barrels, so I'm biased. If you don't really need a heavier profile barrel, I don't see why you would buy one, except for aesthetics. LSU Tigers, 2007 BCS National Champions! GEAUX TIGERS!!! User Info patrol120 Posted: 10/5/2008 12:09:27 PM Member Bronze Contributor When's the last time you had an AR hanging on a sling for 4 out of 8 hours in a Team Member day? You might change your mind if you ever do. Pencil or lighter all the way. Joined: Dec 2005 USA OK, USA Exactly. The first time you stand a perimeter for six hours with your 12 pound AR will Offline all the cool toys on it, you will change your mind. Lord knows I did. Posts: 645 Feedback: 100% (15) Link To This Post User Info studiojon Posted: 10/5/2008 12:09:35 PM Member you should just build a slightly upgraded KISS rifle thats fits your basic needs and add Member a Light and RDS and then worry about a good cleaning kit and spare parts for that Joined: Oct 2006 maintenance MOLLE pouch and lots of MAGS! USA CA, USA Offline Its very doubtful SHTF will happen but its our responsibility to be prepared to fight all Posts: 91 enemy's foreign and DOMESTIC lol Feedback: 100% (3) Link To This Post User Info 9divdoc Posted: 10/5/2008 12:43:53 PM Team Member Bronze Contributor Originally Posted By DevL: Team Member A lightweight upper is fine for strength... we did fight a whole war wtht hem Joined: Mar 2001 and they only had problems when used as prybars. You will certainly notice the USA WI, USA weight difference. Id never get an A2 upper. Just not optic friendly and you Offline gain no real utility. Weight savings there is minimal vs flattop plus BUIS. Posts: 6631 Feedback: 100% (57) Yep opening C Rat cases by snaping the wires with a prong flash hider and a "pencil" Link To This Post barrel is a no no But opening MREs with it should be no problem I'd go with a light wt when shtf that way I can put more ice in the cooler... User Info alorton Posted: 10/5/2008 3:48:24 PM Member Many people who don't use a rifle for anything practical (read not range shooting from a Member bench)will tell you to go with a heavy barrel. Those who carry them on duty or in combat Joined: Oct 2006 will tell you that the extra weight hurts more than it helps. Wringing out that last USA IN, USA little bit of accuracy from the heavy barrel is nice if you are a sniper or designated Offline marksman, but for SHTF go with light. If SHTF ever happens, you will likely be carrying Posts: 230 more than just a rifle. Use the weight for extra ammo. Feedback: 100% (6) Link To This Post If you are curious, I learned the hard way. I had an 11 pound rifle and spent 8 hours on perimeter. Damn thing gets heavy as hell after that kind of time. User Info Curare Posted: 10/5/2008 4:09:11 PM Team Doc The M4 barrel, and "Government" profile barrels are heavy in the wrong place. The taper Bronze Contributor is illogical. Go with a lightweight or medium profile barrel. Team Member Joined: May 2003 USA OH, USA Offline Posts: 1677 5.56mm--Fragmenting in perfect laboratory conditions since 1963. Feedback: 100% (8) Link To This Post User Info fritzy1911 Posted: 10/5/2008 4:21:50 PM Member Bronze Contributor Originally Posted By Ralph: Team Member Me? I'd get a M4 barrel and a good one at that, Something made from 4150CMV Joined: Apr 2006 steel(or better) chromed lined, 1/7 twist, Flattop upper, Forget the plain jane USA MS, USA 4150/4140 1/9 twist Bushmaster/RRA/Oly/DPMS barrels, You want the best you can Offline get, after all, this is what our boys in uniform use, why should'nt you??You'll Posts: 546 have to pony up some more money, But quality barrels aren't cheap either, Feedback: 100% (6) Noveske, LMT, BCM comes to mind for quality barrels... Link To This Post Ralph, I agree with everything you say but I'm just curious to know what you mean by "Or better" then 4150 CMV. Which, incidently my shtf gun is a BCM 16'' 4150 CMV. User Info uxb Posted: 10/5/2008 5:16:50 PM She blinded me with science SHTF KISS rifle... Bronze Contributor Team Member XM177E1 with Armson OEG Joined: Jan 2002 USA USA "I've yet to master my inner idiot." - jkstexas2001 Online Posts: 6301 "You can stand me up at the gates of Hell, but I won't back down." - Tom Petty Feedback: 100% (210) Link To This Post User Info HeavyMetal Posted: 10/5/2008 5:20:55 PM Veteran of a Thousand Psychic An M4 barrel, like an A2 barrel is not an HBAR. Both are light under the Wars handguards. The weight is ass backwards of where it should be to gain any Gold Contributor improvment in accuracy. Team Member Joined: Feb 2001 Get the lightweight. USA WV, USA Online Posts: 11615 Glocktalk, where Airsofters and Farm Animals peacefully co-habitate. Feedback: 100% (4) Link To This Post User Info Molon Posted: 10/5/2008 5:41:22 PM Member [Last Edit: 10/5/2008 5:45:23 PM by Molon] Bronze Contributor Team Member Originally Posted By Curare: Joined: Nov 2002 The M4 barrel, and "Government" profile barrels are heavy in the wrong place. USA USA The taper is illogical. Offline Posts: 3297 John Noveske has addressed that issue nicely in his N4 barrels. His 16" N4 Light Recce Feedback: 100% (136) barrel is nearly identical in weight to a Colt 16" M4 profile barrel, yet as you can Link To This Post see below the profile is (IMHO) much more sensible. (No you can't attach an M203 grenade launcher to it, but that's a compromise I'm willing to make.) All hail Jeanne Assam! User Info M4builder Posted: 10/5/2008 5:52:41 PM Just an average Joe. [Last Edit: 10/5/2008 5:53:05 PM by M4builder] Bronze Contributor Where could one get the N4 barrel group (without receiver)? I'd love to plug one into Team Member my Colt. Joined: Apr 2007 USA KS, USA Offline Posts: 4135 A Colt is a weapon, not a measuring stick. Feedback: 100% (2) Link To This Post User Info Belmont31R Posted: 10/5/2008 6:00:09 PM Team Member Bronze Contributor Originally Posted By fritzy1911: Team Member Joined: May 2006 Originally Posted By Ralph: USA TX, USA Me? I'd get a M4 barrel and a good one at that, Something made from Offline 4150CMV steel(or better) chromed lined, 1/7 twist, Flattop upper, Forget Posts: 6830 the plain jane 4150/4140 1/9 twist Bushmaster/RRA/Oly/DPMS barrels, You Feedback: 100% (71) want the best you can get, after all, this is what our boys in uniform Link To This Post use, why should'nt you??You'll have to pony up some more money, But quality barrels aren't cheap either, Noveske, LMT, BCM comes to mind for quality barrels... Ralph, I agree with everything you say but I'm just curious to know what you mean by "Or better" then 4150 CMV. Which, incidently my shtf gun is a BCM 16'' 4150 CMV. 4150 is not CMV. 4150 does not have Vanadium in it. Bravo Co uses 11595E which is another name for ORD4150- one of the types of 4150 out there. Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin 1759 Proud Member of Ranstad's Militia User Info Harv24 Posted: 10/5/2008 6:06:30 PM Member stop sweating all this silly minutua and learn to master your Basic marksmanship Bronze Contributor principles... Team Member Joined: Dec 2003 Then you can shoot any style gun better then anyone else....problem solved. USA WI, USA Offline Posts: 4485 Feedback: 100% (34) Link To This Post User Info Cwackers Posted: 10/5/2008 6:26:22 PM Member HARV 24 is absolutely, 110% right. Member Will .125 lbs make a difference if your shooting 10 inch groups @ 5m? Joined: Jul 2006 Will that high speed barrel that the manf. claims .00005 MOA @ 100000m make a USA SC, USA difference? Offline Learn to shoot what you have. Know that you can shoot a clay off hand @ 50m first round Posts: 341 with iron sights. After that, then worry about whatever else...... Feedback: 100% (32) Shoot straight FIRST! Link To This Post Cwackers User Info WarNerve Posted: 10/5/2008 6:36:16 PM Member Bronze Contributor Originally Posted By QUIB: Team Member Joined: Oct 2005 I love reading these types of threads. The possibilities and scenarios for these USA AZ, USA types of situations are endless. Offline Posts: 1513 No stuff! Most important is the familiarity and trigger time you have with whatever it Feedback: 100% (37) is you are shooting. Link To This Post I know some dudes with bolt action SHTF weapons that would make short-work with more than 80% of the city slickers working AR sticks. Seriously folks . . .gov profile vs. lightweight? - Misunderstood, opposed to most, stock piling ammunition. User Info Fields_Overseer Posted: 10/5/2008 6:51:19 PM Member [Last Edit: 10/5/2008 6:52:03 PM by Fields_Overseer] Member Id go lightweight. You aint sniping commy invaders at 500 yds so... You can defend Joined: Jan 2008 yourself and hunt with it, ect. 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