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Link: image_src _____________________ [ ] Battle.net * Home * Game * Community * Media * Forums * Services Log in with your Battle.net account to post comments and personalize your site content. 1. StarCraft II 2. Forums 3. Gameplay 4. General Discussion 5. "Stream Sniping" and Customer Service Policy Topic (Sticky) "Stream Sniping" and Customer Service Policy Add a reply We've continued to see reports regarding someone live streaming their match, and their opponent watching the stream in order to gain an in-game advantage (also known as stream sniping). While this is obviously poor sportsmanship on the part of the one viewing the stream, we'd like to clarify that this is not a violation of any current policies. In fact, we cannot enforce any `fair play' policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move they're making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. Even if this could be considered a violation, we simply cannot micro-manage every streamed match to ensure the opponent was not looking at it, or using it to their advantage. It goes far beyond the scope of what we're able to enforce. It's advisable for those streaming to take Bashiok precautions, including delaying their streams by a significant amount of time, Bashiok to avoid any potential advantage they may be providing their opponent. View posts #1 Bashiok We are absolutely able to enforce, and will continue to do so, violations that 3 hours ago Community Manager include harassment of others in-game, use of hacks, abuse of our reporting tools, and attempts to disrupt the gameplay of others. If you believe that someone is in violation of the game rules it does not warrant behavior, language, or abuse that would earn you, yourself, a suspension from the game. If you'd like to report an offense, please report the player using clear and descriptive language only once; support will review that report and take action based on the validity of the complaint, not the persistence of the reporting. The intent with our policies is to ensure a fair and fun experience in Blizzard games, but the act of providing a window into your game for your opponent to see is not considered a violation, should they choose to use that to their advantage. We encourage anyone streaming to keep this in mind while doing so. Reply Quote [IMG] MPAbower #193 #2 MPAbower #193 good points 2 hours ago Profile View posts Ignore Login to rate MPAbower Reply Quote [IMG] MaChinE #130 #3 MaChinE #130 +1 2 hours ago Profile View posts Ignore Login to rate MaChinE Reply Quote Except... from my own experience and also from hearing from those [IMG] who often report hackers and such, nothing is ever done, reporting venom #510 seems to be pointless, unless a player is reported multiple times. #4 venom #510 This is why players like Destiny and Minigun who are constantly 2 hours ago Profile View posts Ignore spammed by Deezer report him around 5 times whenever they have spare Login to rate venom time, since "reporting him once does nothing...." Is this completely wrong, or is there some system in place thats purpose is to stop customer support from being overloaded with reports? Reply Quote 01/19/2012 09:01 AMPosted by Bashiok [IMG] If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move jlCoolDream #718 they're making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we #5 jlCoolDream #718 cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. 2 hours ago Profile View posts Ignore Login to rate jlCoolDream EXACTLY what happens in stream-sniping. +1 and gg. Reply Quote What you are describing is ghosting, Sniping is the act of using a players stream to queue at the same time as them; allowing you to play against them. When done one time it isn't a big deal but people have chain sniped for days, making it near impossible for a player [IMG] to play against anyone else on ladder. Some of them even abuse Ipp #190 Battle.NET, by disconnecting from battlenet if their opponent #6 Ipp #190 doesn't get matched up with them. If you disconnect during count 1 hour ago Profile View posts Ignore down, the match is like a tie and neither player loses or gains Login to rate Ipp points. I believe preventing someone from playing against a random opponent on ladder falls under "attempts to disrupt the gameplay of others" and "Harassment". Reply Quote [IMG] Sary #422 Adding a 5-10 minute delay to the stream can prevent sniping. #7 Sary #422 Totalbiscuit does it for his tournaments. 1 hour ago Profile View posts Ignore Login to rate Sary Reply Quote Edited by ninjakitten on 1/19/12 11:23 AM (PST) 01/19/2012 10:40 AMPosted by Sary Adding a 5-10 minute delay to the stream can prevent sniping. [IMG] Totalbiscuit does it for his tournaments. ninjakitten #760 #8 ninjakitten #760 This, stream delays would be the best. 1 hour ago Profile View posts Ignore Login to rate ninjakitten And Ipp, stream sniping is stream sniping. We know what they do. If they're already watching your stream to que up and play unfairly against you, you already know they are cheating. You don't need to add obscure terms like ghosting, screen hacking, screen watching, whatever. Stream Snipe covers it. Reply Quote [IMG] Chris #2423 i think hes referring to streamcheating? streamsniping is just when #9 Chris #2423 you hit search at the same time as your favorite pro to get a 1v1, 33 minutes ago Profile View posts Ignore which has nothing to do with watching the stream while playing... Login to rate Chris Reply Quote Edited by Phreak on 1/19/12 12:07 PM (PST) We've continued to see reports regarding someone live streaming their match, and their opponent watching the stream in order to gain an in-game advantage (also known as stream sniping). While this is obviously poor sportsmanship on the part of the one viewing the stream, we'd like to clarify that this is not a violation of any current policies. In fact, we cannot enforce any `fair play' policies if a user chooses to provide their opponent an advantage. If someone in-game chooses to tell their opponent every move they're making, thereby informing them how to counter it, we cannot conclude that any violation has taken place. Even if this could be considered a violation, we simply cannot micro-manage every streamed match to ensure the opponent was not looking at it, or using it to their advantage. It goes far beyond the scope of what we're able to enforce. It's advisable for those streaming to take precautions, including delaying their streams by a significant amount of time, to avoid any potential advantage they may be providing their opponent. We are absolutely able to enforce, and will continue to do so, violations that include harassment of others in-game, use of hacks, abuse of our reporting tools, and attempts to disrupt the gameplay of others. If you believe that someone is in violation [IMG] of the game rules it does not warrant behavior, language, or Phreak #647 abuse that would earn you, yourself, a suspension from the game. #10 Phreak #647 If you'd like to report an offense, please report the player 22 minutes ago Profile View posts Ignore using clear and descriptive language only once; support will Login to rate Phreak review that report and take action based on the validity of the complaint, not the persistence of the reporting. The intent with our policies is to ensure a fair and fun experience in Blizzard games, but the act of providing a window into your game for your opponent to see is not considered a violation, should they choose to use that to their advantage. We encourage anyone streaming to keep this in mind while doing so. You never addressed the possibility of blocking certain players from being matched with them. There's an ignore list for chatting, but none for the actual game. The most bothersome of stream cheaters are the ones who are repeat offenders. Perhaps the possibility of blocking 10-15 players from being matched with would cut down on these offenses and reports. Aside from that, even players who don't stream could benefit from the feature. If a player runs across someone who does something especially rude in a game, why not give them the ability to bypass that player for future matches? You've acknowledged you yourself can't possibly enforce it, so why not let the players police themselves? I really would like to hear your opinion on this. Reply Quote 1. StarCraft II 2. Forums 3. Gameplay 4. General Discussion 5. "Stream Sniping" and Customer Service Policy Add a reply Please report any Code of Conduct violations, including: Threats of violence. We take these seriously and will alert the proper authorities. Posts containing personal information about other players. 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