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I'm thinking competion type components. any input would be of great help. oops.....input on a quality trigger would help too. slowly but surely I'm learning from you guys. thanks again, Daniel Daniel BOON is offline Daniel BOON View Public Profile Find More Posts by Daniel BOON Old March 12, 2006, #2 07:37 PM kwkoch http://www.cactustactical.com/chipmccormick.html Senior Member try the above address for tips on the trigger. i would go with a two stage Join Date: October 25, trigger. also i would try the parts that you have first. put the new flattop 2005 receiver with the new target barrel then mount that to you old lower and use the Location: indiana old bolt. get a good high powered scope, get some good ammo (with a 1:9 you are Posts: 156 able to shoot the heavier match grade ammo ie..68 grain match from black hills) shoot with that set up and see what you get. if its not sub moa ill be surprised __________________ colt ar-15 hbar flattop mini-14 stainless synthetic kimber custom classic t/c encore .50 mossberg 835 rem 1100 lw20 10/22 stainless laminated raging bull 454 casull remington 700 sendero .300 winmag mossberg bolt action .410 kwkoch is offline kwkoch View Public Profile Find More Posts by kwkoch Old March 12, 2006, #3 08:18 PM tinman you may also want to put a floating handguard on. midwayusa.com has a good Senior Member selection. __________________ Join Date: December 11, Tom 2005 Location: OHIO If you can't shoot quality, try quantity. Posts: 118 tinman is offline tinman View Public Profile Find More Posts by tinman Old March 12, 2006, 08:26 PM #4 TPAW Quote: Senior Member what makes an accurate AR15? Join Date: January 26, 2005 Posts: 2,760 The ammo that the AR likes best and the shooter! TPAW is offline TPAW View Public Profile Find More Posts by TPAW Old March 12, 2006, #5 08:28 PM chargedmr2 You may want to consider the new two stage Geissele trigger. It has received alot Member of initial praise from the AR crowd. ADCO carries them, but they aren't too cheap. Join Date: November 3, 2005 Posts: 53 chargedmr2 is offline chargedmr2 View Public Profile Find More Posts by chargedmr2 Old March 12, 2006, #6 09:17 PM marks655 Suggest you buy the book "Black Magic" by John Feamster. Lots of good information Senior Member about what works and what is a waste of time on AR15 accurizing. Join Date: January 21, I built a rifle based on this book - Krieger 8.25:1 tube, JP trigger, custom 2006 (Wylde) scope mount - see attachments - shoots real good. Location: Ohio Attached Images Posts: 360 File Type: jpg ar15grp.jpg (54.4 KB, 69 views) File Type: jpg wylderifle.jpg (73.5 KB, 69 views) File Type: jpg ar15gro.jpg.jpg (205.5 KB, 62 views) marks655 is offline marks655 View Public Profile Find More Posts by marks655 Old March 12, 2006, #7 09:38 PM P-990 DB, Senior Member All you need for an accurate AR-15 is a good barrel, a free-float tube and feed it Join Date: May 2, 2002 ammo it likes. That's it! There is nothing else to it. Location: Only1/2WayThere Don't get hung up on "fitted" bolts, carriers, etc. They won't make any Posts: 951 difference. A bunch of the Highpower guys across the state from me routinely install their own barrels on their ARs and run the old bolts w/o issues. Headspace may not be ideal, but the whole rifle system isn't "ideal" for accuracy work, but that doesn't stop it from working well. A good trigger is a must for the shooter, as are good sights. We compete in Highpower with iron sights and a good AR can hang close enough to a bolt gun to make it a matter of which rifle is run by the better trigger jockey on most days. I've seen Match rifle shooters smoked by a fair number of ARs in the past couple of seasons, actually. And I've seen a few AR turned into match rifles with all the bells and whistles. Doesn't make them shoot any better, but they do become easier to shoot. Oh yeah. Practice. A 1/2-MOA tack-driver really is only as good as the trigger jockey. __________________ One .44, two .44, three .44, more... P-990 is offline P-990 View Public Profile Find More Posts by P-990 Old March 12, 2006, #8 09:56 PM tarheellefty I think the book " the competitive AR15 " is WAY better than "black Majic" . The Senior Member competitive AR15 has chapters by Army markmanship unit members, great gunsmiths (Derrick Martin is the one I remember) , David Tubb (multiple time high power Join Date: June 17, rifle champion ) and soon. lots of great info. But it boils down to what P990 2005 said - float a good barrel and feed it ammo it likes. I have 15000 rounds through Posts: 175 3 uppers. If I used varget powder and sierra match bullets I always got good groups (IF I did my part ). tarheellefty is offline tarheellefty View Public Profile Find More Posts by tarheellefty Old March 12, 2006, #9 11:47 PM marks655 Quote: Senior Member I think the book " the competitive AR15 " is WAY better than "black Majic" . Join Date: January 21, 2006 So buy both books. (then you will see Black Magic is better) Location: Ohio Posts: 360 I believe the original post was about a varmit-style rifle and not a military-match rifle. John Feamster is one of the top AR15 experts and advises outfits like Compass Eng; also he has written many articles on accurate AR15s in Precision Shooting. Bill Wylde is the father of the accurate AR15 (e.g. 'Wylde chamber' etc.) and built more winning Camp Perry rifles than anyone. I agree with the comments about good floated barrel, trigger, etc. You don't need a new bolt carrier group/bolt. The Bushmaster hardware is fine. There are some other things you can do such as single-stack elongated magazines that enable loading closer to the lands. Things like this can tighten groups. marks655 is offline marks655 View Public Profile Find More Posts by marks655 Old March 13, 2006, #10 08:52 AM P-990 Quote: Senior Member I believe the original post was about a varmit-style rifle and not a Join Date: May 2, 2002 military-match rifle. Location: Only1/2WayThere But an accurate AR is an accurate AR. The parts and appearance may differ, but the Posts: 951 underlying principles and reasons are the same. No? Yes, feed it reloads with Varget (rated highly; I have 9 pounds of the stuff on hand) and Sierra (or Nosler or Hornady) match or varmint bullets. The bullets will only go where you point them or the wind you missed pushes them. It will be no fault of the ammo at that point! FWIW, my personal rifle is an Armalite in Service Rifle configuration with 1:8" twist barrel, free-float tube, 1/4x1/2-min sights, two-stage trigger and enough lead in it to make an X-ray-proof blanket. It rattles when shaken and lacks an Accu-Wedge. I can still shoot Master-class scores with it most days, though it needs a new barrel. The throat is eroded so far I can barely get the 80s out to the lands but it still shoots mag-length bullets into around 1.5-MOA at 300 yards (sling-supported prone mind you). __________________ One .44, two .44, three .44, more... P-990 is offline P-990 View Public Profile Find More Posts by P-990 Old March 13, 2006, #11 09:23 AM marks655 P-990 Senior Member 'Accurate is accurate,' but there are things you can do to a varmit rig that you Join Date: January 21, are not allowed to do on a match rifle. One of my fav ARs was an Armalite. Wish I 2006 hadn't sold it. Location: Ohio Posts: 360 Q: is Varget that much better than other powders (W748, H335, etc.) ? Does it flow thru the powder measure well ? I get under .25 MOA with these powders but groups are not as consistent as I would like. What about Benchmark ? It looks similar to Varget except for burn-rate. Do you have any good loads to share for lighter bullets (50-55gr) or do you just shoot those big long things ? marks655 is offline marks655 View Public Profile Find More Posts by marks655 Old March 13, 2006, #12 10:04 AM joshua I like Varget and those thin long things... Varget solves keeping too much Senior Member gunpowder for me. I use it for 223, 22-250 and 308. I'm about to use it for 7x30Waters and 7.62x39. I do hope Hodgdon never drop Varget off their list. josh Join Date: October 27, 2004 Location: norCal Posts: 2,162 joshua is offline joshua View Public Profile Find More Posts by joshua Old March 13, 2006, 10:13 AM #13 urbanassault what makes an accurate AR15? Senior Member ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join Date: January 3, 2006 Location: Minnesota the person shooting it Posts: 364 __________________ Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum urbanassault is offline urbanassault View Public Profile Find More Posts by urbanassault Old March 13, 2006, #14 10:34 AM rick_reno When I was shooting an AR I found big differences in accuracy with as little as Junior member .5 grain of powder in loads. Find a load/bullet combination that your AR likes and stick with it. Join Date: May 28, 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 917 rick_reno is offline rick_reno View Public Profile Find More Posts by rick_reno Old March 13, 2006, #15 11:21 AM marks655 Quote: Senior Member I like Varget and those thin long things... Varget solves keeping too much Join Date: January 21, gunpowder for me. I use it for 223, 22-250 and 308. I'm about to use it for 2006 7x30Waters and 7.62x39. I do hope Hodgdon never drop Varget off their list. josh Location: Ohio Posts: 360 Josh: I don't think they will stop making it since everyone is using it. I plan to get some and try it for .223 and .308. Am working on some loads with Benchmark at present. Is Varget faster or slower than Benchmark ? I thought I saw something were it was slower. As per 7.62x39 I'm trying to work up some loads using H335 and W748. Many powders are compressed loads with this small case. I tried some AA1680 with good results (compressed load). Do you load 7.62x39? Seems hard to obtain the same velocities of the cheap russkie stuff. The ruuskie stuff is actually pretty accuate save the fliers every 5-10 rds. marks655 is offline marks655 View Public Profile Find More Posts by marks655 Old March 13, 2006, #16 06:35 PM Daniel BOON why I love this forum Senior Member ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Join Date: June 5, 2005 Location: Henderson NV because I get so many well informed answers; I do have a bush free float fore Posts: 360 arm; I have used Varget in my wanderings with my rem vs/308, and it can drive tacks; I can tighten that a little using 4064 in my 308, and I would say Varget would be the choice for my .223. I'm glad to hear I can get good shooting with a standard bolt carrier; I was just about to order a fancy one, but will put that on hold; the same goes for the reciever; as for which books to read? I want one rifle to shoot open sights, one to shoot at those pesky little var-mints, using the same lower; so I'll buy both books; thanks again guys for all your help......Daniel Daniel BOON is offline Daniel BOON View Public Profile Find More Posts by Daniel BOON Reply << Previous Thread | Next Thread >> Thread Tools Show Printable Version Show Printable Version Email this Page Email this Page [IMG] Posting Rules You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts ------------------------ BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is Off ------------------------ Forum Jump Forum Rules [__________________________________________________________] [ Go ] All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:21 AM. [_________________________________] Forum Home Page - Archive - Top Powered by vBulletin(R) Version 3.8.6 Copyright (c)2000 - 2011, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. This site and contents Copyright (c) 1998-2010 S.W.A.T. 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